toRaise Questions Doula Podcast (general)

Thérèse spends time talking to Valerie Drews who is a birth doula in the Chicago area (http://www.sacred-pregnancy.com/ ),about her experience being a doula for her sister's births. Is it hard to stay in the role as doula when you are also a family member? Her sister/client, Nichole Oakapal joins the conversation to give her perspective.

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Dana Jarmon shares her birth story with Thérèse. Dana a birth doula herself, discusses the impact of having a doula present at her birth and also how it may have informed her own doula practice. www.kindredspiritsdoula.com.

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Thérèse has a conversation with Heather Self, a birth doula who had an extremely traumatic birth and the impact it has had on her practice as a doula.

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It's been a long time since our last podcast and Thérèse takes a few moments to say hello again and talk about some of the lessons learned on her journey this past summer.

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Thérèse has a conversation with Emily Bruno, a Certified Birth Doula and one of the owners of My Birth in Richmond VA about how to best support a client who is planning to have a VBAC.

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Thérèse has a conversation with Karry Wolf Anderson, a doula in the Chicago area. They discuss Karry's life as a mother, wife, doula and massage therapist and how she balances it all throughout these years of being active in birth work.

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Thérèse continues her conversation with Cary York, a lactation consultant about how we can support a person who is having latch issues as well as, the different postions that can be used while breastfeeding.

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Thérèse talks with Cary York, a lactation consultant about undisturbed breastfeeding, what it looks like and how it can be protected in that first hour and the days after birth

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Thérèse talks with Cheyenne Varner cheyennevarner.com about an article she recently wrote entitled, "8 Things to Know About Reproductive Health, Rights and Justice".

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Thérèse talks with Emily Landry, www.emilylandrydoula.com, from Tulsa Ok about a service she offers to new doulas, doula mentorship.

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Thérèse talks with Jocelyn Alt, a certified professional birth doula in Seattle how has helped to start a successful hospital doula program where the doulas get paid a living wage and and the clients and staff reap the benefits as well.

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Thérèse and Melanie spend time together talking about the toLabor doula workshops, how they help to emulate the spirit, the intention necessary in birth work and how they may help to transform our own personal lives.

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Thérèse talks with Jen Kamel the creator and director of VBACFacts.com about the true risks of a VBAC, what does the evidence show, what are the practices in place, why are these practices in place and so much more.

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Thérèse talks with the Debby Prudhomme & Melissa Gutierrez Nelson from the non-profit organization Everyday Miracles. This Minneapolis MN based organization provide free birth doula services and classes to any pregnant woman on medicad.

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Thérèse and Melanie have a conversation wth Kate, a doula from Pennsylvania who faced an unexpected and difficult situation with their clients in the midst of their labor

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Thérèse continue her dialogue with guest, Stephanie Spencer the Director of Urban Baby Beginning, a non-profit organization that provides doula and childbirth services to low-income women.

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Thérèse speaks with guest, Stephanie Spencer the Director of Urban Baby Beginngs, a non-profit organization that provides doula and childbirth services to low-income women.

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Thérèse and Melanie speak with Sarah Howell a NICU nurse at a large city hopstal and gives insights on how a doula can help negoitate that time with and for their clients.

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Thérèse speaks with guest, Alice Wheeler who is a doula in a federally qualified community health center in Lancaster, PA

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Thérèse continues her conversation with Anne about a labor and it's unexpected turn of events.

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Thérèse talks with Anne about her life as a doula while balancing other jobs at the same time. Anne shares an experience she had in a labor and it's unexpected turn.

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Thérèse continues her conversation with Dr Jodi Brown an obstetrician in Vermont who began her birth work as a birth doula.

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Thérèse has a conversation with Dr Jodi Brown an obstetrician in Vermont who began her birth work as a birth doula.

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This week we bring you a repeat of Episode #10 Being a doula is rewarding but can be incredibly draining. Too many of us fail to take care of ourselves as we work so hard to take care of others. Thérèse and Sarah discuss setting appropriate boundaries and standards of self-care for doulas to protect both the birth experience and their own work-life harmony.

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Thérèse has a conversation with Stacie Scott, a labor and delivery nurse in Richmond VA. Stacie speaks to what it is like to be a nurse, insghts about the system and how doulas and nurses can best work together

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Thérèse and Melanie discuss the importance of every doula having a contract beginnng with the first birth they attend and some important clauses that they want to make sure are included and communicated wth their clients. Contractions are for everyone's protection and a necessary aspect of professionalism.

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On the eve of Thanksgiving, Thérèse offers listeners a moment of reflection through a loving-kindness meditation, we all need compassion.

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Thérèse continues her conversation with Carol Wade from Earth Island Herbs. Carol is a registered herbalist with the American Herbalists Guild and a nutritional counselor with over 20 years of experience.

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Thérèse has a conversation with Carol Wade from Earth Island Herbs. Carol is a registered herbalist with the American Herbalists Guild and a nutritional counselor with over 20 years of experience.

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Thérèse and Melanie have an update from a listener's question and they answer a few more questions.

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Thérèse and Melanie speak with guest, Lisa Chin about the fourth trimester, why she is so passionate about it, what she learned through her own expeirences and what she has created to help others who have options and choices for their time after birth.

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This week we bring you a repeat of Episode 52. Thérèse and Melanie discuss the important topic of how a doula negotiates the conversation with their client about their care provider's reputation both statistically and anecdotally as well as the facility that they plan to birth in. Is it your role? What is your responsibility?

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Thérèse and Melanie discuss the topic of birth shame. Many who give birth differently then what they have envisioned, feel a sense of shame after their expereince. What causes this feeling? What as a doula, can you do to support clients better to avoid this feeling if possible? What as a culture can we do to reduce this risk of shaming continuance?

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Thérèse and Melanie answer a listener's question about the use of the foley bulb as a method of induction. They also address when is the "right" time to enter a client's labor that has begun with an induction and how long do you stay after a cesarean birth.

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Thérèse and Melanie talk with Elizabeth Theriault, a woman who envisioned a beautiful breastfeeding experience with her new baby that became an emotional and physical roller coaster ride due to low milk supply. Elizabeth talks openly about her journey to understanding that sometimes a woman is not able to solely breastfeed and the whys may not be entirely known. A very important listen.

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Thérèse and Melanie to talk with Karla Helbert, LPC about perinatal loss and how best to support clients who have a pregnancy year loss.

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Thérèse and Melanie to talk with Sue Ellen about a home birth to hospital birth transfer she recently attended.

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Thérèse and Melanie to talk with Rachel who shares her birth story and her experience having a doula for support.

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Thérèse and Melanie to talk with Nicole Link-Troen a Certified Placenta Encapsulation Specialist about the history of the ingestion of placentas, the whys, the hows and how to approach this topic with your clients.

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Thérèse and Melanie to talk with Emma O'Brien, a toLabor trained doula and herbalist about how doulas can best serve and support the LGBT client.

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Joy Outland Brock, LCSW, a toLabor trained doula join Thérèse and Melanie once again to talk about how to support clients with perinatal mood disorders.

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Thérèse and Melanie to talk with Joy Outland Brock, LCSW, a toLabor trained doula about perinatal mood disorders, the different categories and how to identify them.

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Thérèse and Melanie talk with Rachel a doula from Arizona about a recent birth she attended.

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Thérèse and Melanie talk with Cristin Pascucci about ACOG's debate at their annual meeting in regard to induction for all women at 39 weeks.

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Thérèse interviews 3 doulas who began in solo practice but who have now expanded their business to include other doulas and other services.

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Thérèse and Melanie answer a listener's question on how to support a client who has intervetions.

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Thérèse and Melanie to talk with Melissa Yeager, a toLabor Certified Professional Birth Doula about circumcision and boundary lines.

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Former podcast moderator Sarah Allen-Short join Therese and Melanie to discuss input from listeners in regard to Episode 71, The Spirit of Beig a Doula

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Sarah Allen-Short joins Melanie to have a talk about Thérèse and what she is facing currently.

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Thérèse turns the interview table on Melanie. They discusses how Melanie came itno birth work and how it has evolved into a full time career.

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Case Study:Marie from Florida talk with Thérèse and Melanie about a situation she had with a client that raised a lot of questions for her in regard to defining her role and her boundary lines.

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Thérèse and Melanie have a conversation about the spirit of being a doula and maintaining your integrity.

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Thérèse and Melanie share stories while discussing birth work and what it has unexpectedly brought into their lives.

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Thérèse and Melanie record live at the RVA Birth Event 2016. Listen to their conversation with Ricki Lake and Abby Epstein and numerous guests who stop by to chat.

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Sarah and Therese discuss with Marcia a labor and birth that she attended 2 years ago that emotionally took its toll on her related to her client's reaction to her in the postpartum period.

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Thérèse and Melanie discuss a listener's dilemma who cannot figure out how to cover all of the important topics during her prenatal visits with her clients.

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Happy New Year! The ladies are on a much-deserved break but didn't want you all to go without. Here's a ToRaise Flashback in which Sarah and Thérèse talk about the challenges and joys of a doula's on-call existence. Enjoy! 

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Thérèse and Melanie discuss one of the most common challenges of a doula, when do you go be with your client in labor? Is it ok to come and then go? How do you know? Is there a formula for this ongoing circumstance? By discussing 2 births that Melaine recently attended, examples are shown as to how you can perhaps have more clarity on this somewhat mysterious predicament.

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Thérèse and Melanie answer a listener's question in regard to episiotomies vs tears, is it better to be cut by a PCP or to allow the body to tear on its own? Which heals better?

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Thérèse and Melanie welcome Jennie Jospeh, LM, CPM of Commonsense Childbirth based in Orlando FL to discuss racial dispartities in maternal healthcare. Jennie has been working tirelessly to provide access to care to pregnant women, with a focus on the African American population, in hopes of reducing the infant mortality rate by reducing premature births and the number of low birth wieight babies being born. She shares with the listeners her understanding of the situation and her ideas and solutions to help change this life and death situation of so many babies and mothers. www.commonsensechildbirth.org

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Thérèse and Melanie talk about the importance of speaking with your client, both the pregnant woman and her partner about what they have been told about their birth, what their perspectives and beliefs are.and how the culture at large can impact these constructs.

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Thérèse and Melanie welcome Sarah from Texas to discuss a client who has had 2 cesareans after two labors, a planned cesarean and now is attempting a VBAC.

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Thérèse and Melanie talk about how to discuss and help sort out who, if anyone their client wants to invite to their birth. If someone is invited, what conversations can take place to help make this is a good experience for all. What if someone assumes they are invited, how is this negotiated.

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Thérèse and Melanie discuss whether it is appropiate for children to attend a birth. If a parent wants a child to participate, how do they best prepare that child so the birth will be the best experience for all.

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Thérèse and Melanie invite two partners/husbands into the studio to discuss the role of supporting an active doula. What does it take? What are the downsides of this role? What have they learned along the way? What have they found works and doesn't work. An excelelnt and honest look of the impact of this work on personal relationships

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Thérèse and Melanie discuss a whether having a child is a prequisite to being a doula? What if you become pregnant , should you continue offering services while pregnant and if so, when do you take a pause? When do you return? Can you take your baby with you to a birth?

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Thérèse and Melanie talk to physical therapist Lynn Shulte-Leech about how to help women understand the importance of knowing the state of their pelvic floor muscles in order for them to have the possibility of a smoother labor, birth and postpartum. Visit www.intuitivehandpt.com to learn more.

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Thérèse and Melanie discuss a listener's question who is working with a client where there is no partner involved. Her mother will be there for the delivery and in the interview the client shared that they have a pretty tense relationship. 

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Thérèse and Sarah talk to artist and author Susan Singer about her book, Birth Affirmations and what a powerful and useful tool affirmations and visualizations can have on a person's pregnancy, birth and into the postpartum. Susan's book is available at www.BirthAffirmationsBook.com, receive a 10% discount by entering toLabor when checking out.

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Sarah Juliusson from www.thewebsitedoula.com joins Thérèse and Sarah in discussing how important the homepage of your website is for your birth businesses and the e-book she has created to help you know all that you need to know.  

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Thérèse and Melanie discuss what a doula would do if she meets a client for the first time in labor (volunteer program, on call doula or L&D nurse/doula). What are the best questions/discussions to have if you meet them early on in labor or in an induction? What about if they are in transition? 

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Thérèse and Melanie discuss the important topic of how a doula negotiates the conversation with their client about their care provider's reputation both statistically and anecdotally as well as, the facility that they plan to birth in. Is it your role? What is your responsibility? 

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Thérèse and Melanie talk with a listener from Idaho, Heather,  who is looking for examples of how to help a mom when she is floundering in the intensity of transition. How do you have a "take charge" attitide in order to calm her, give her support, and help her move forward?

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Thérèse and Melanie talk with two toLabor Certified Professional Doulas about boundary lines with clients, how they support one another for births as well as being one another's doula for emotional support.

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Thérèse and Melanie answer a question from a listener in Isarel who wonders about the importance of having a mulititude of skils to offer your client or is emotional support the most important? What percent of doula work is emotional and psychological support? What percent is based on
knowledge of the ins and outs of pregnancy and labor, and implementation of physical supports?

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Thérèse and Melanie answer a question from a listener in Isarel who wonders about the importance of having a mulititude of skils to offer your client or is emotional support the most important? What percent of doula work is emotional and psychological support? What percent is based on
knowledge of the ins and outs of pregnancy and labor, and implementation of physical supports?

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Thérèse and Melanie discuss what the role of a doula is from the time from the birth of the baby until the baby's first latch.

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Thérèse and Melanie focus on the important role a doula plays in helping to create a more realsitic and smoother pathway for their client's breastfeeding experience in the prenatal period.

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Thérèse and Melanie talk about what to do when you are excited to begin the work of being a doula but you areun sure where to find clients and how. They also discuss their thoughts on how to conduct your interview appointment---where, who, what to bring, how long, etc. Good listen for experienced doulas as well.

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Thérèse and Melanie talk to women's childbirth advocate Cristen Pascucci (Improving Birth and Birth Monopoly) and professional photographer/doula Lindsay Askins (Spot of Serendipity) are driving from San Francisco to Philadelphia, stopping along the way to meet and photograph the women of America who have experienced and witnessed traumatic birth and obstetric violence.

http://www.exposingthesilenceproject.com/

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Thérèse and Sarah welcome Melanie Headley, the new co-host of the podcast, and the three women talk about doula burnout, how to re-energize, and how to know when it's time to walk away.

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Violet, an experienced birth attendant calls to talk to Therese and Sarah about a client who has trouble relaxing into labor and how best to support her.

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Thérèse talks to Sarah about her view of birth as a human right and a civil right, and the role of birth workers in supporting those rights.

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Therese takes a question about setting up a virtual doula practice, and Sarah and Therese talk about working with hospitalists.

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Therese and Sarah talk to Anne from Baltimore, who is still working to process a difficult birth from several months ago that involved a number of interventions and a very long pushing stage. Anne talks to Therese about her role in what was a fairly traumatic experience for her client.

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Sarah and Therese talk about how water can be used effectively in a labor for pain relief and even labor augmentation.

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Therese and Sarah go over some of the items and tools that might be useful to take to a birth at a home or a birthing center and prioritize those items that are most useful.

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Sarah and Therese talk about helping clients face the potential for loss in birth.  

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Therese and Sarah talk about working with a backup, financial arrangements with other doulas, and situations you may face that would necessitate a backup.

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Jenny from Michigan joins Therese and Sarah to talk about supporting type A moms who have a hard time letting go and surrendering to labor.

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Therese and Sarah talk to Terri, a doula in San Diego who has a client who wants to try to VBAC with a breech baby and a bicornate, or heart-shaped uterus. Therese helps Terri sort out the options and choices she can give her client.

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Most doulas will eventually have a client who is angry at them, whether fairly or unfairly. Therese and Sarah talk about how to handle being blamed for something you feel is not your fault and also how to grapple with the realization that you did make mistakes and that a client has legitimate complaints.

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Sarah and Therese discuss the realities of competitive attitudes in birth work especially among doulas and midwifes.

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Sarah and Therese discuss the importance of the postpartum visit.  

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Sarah and Therese discuss ways for doulas to work constructively within the hospital setting to make sure their clients' voices are heard.

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Sarah and Therese discuss prenatal visits.  

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Sarah and Therese discuss a range of topics including doulas trusting their own instincts while encouraging their clients to trust theirs.  

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Jen Kamel, founder of VBAC Facts (www.vbacfacts.com), joins Therese and Sarah to talk about common vbac myths and how doulas can support and educate clients seeking a VBAC

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Episode 20 - Birth Your Business:  Sarah Juliusson talks with Sarah and Therese about her experience helping people start, grow and sustain their own birth businesses.

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