Thérèse and Sarah welcome Melanie Headley, the new co-host of the podcast, and the three women talk about doula burnout, how to re-energize, and how to know when it's time to walk away.

Violet, an experienced birth attendant calls to talk to Therese and Sarah about a client who has trouble relaxing into labor and how best to support her.

Thérèse talks to Sarah about her view of birth as a human right and a civil right, and the role of birth workers in supporting those rights.

Therese takes a question about setting up a virtual doula practice, and Sarah and Therese talk about working with hospitalists.

Therese and Sarah talk to Anne from Baltimore, who is still working to process a difficult birth from several months ago that involved a number of interventions and a very long pushing stage. Anne talks to Therese about her role in what was a fairly traumatic experience for her client.

Sarah and Therese talk about how water can be used effectively in a labor for pain relief and even labor augmentation.

Therese and Sarah go over some of the items and tools that might be useful to take to a birth at a home or a birthing center and prioritize those items that are most useful.

Sarah and Therese talk about helping clients face the potential for loss in birth.  

Therese and Sarah talk about working with a backup, financial arrangements with other doulas, and situations you may face that would necessitate a backup.